Podcast
Built Different Episode 5: Data Driven Analytics for a Sustainable Construction Industry
Author:
Lauren Massey
June 22, 2022
In all aspects of human activity, including the built environment, sustainability is becoming an important goal to pursue. The term "sustainability" in the construction business draws attention to all phases of construction, from production to demolition, and its effects are influenced by several interconnected and linked elements.
The wealth of data provides an opportunity not to only improve construction procedures, but also assist construction companies in better understanding what sustainability requires from construction processes. This will contribute to improvements in how buildings are constructed and to what will be designed and built. More data and more insights will be generated as smart construction continues, paving the path for a far greener future and better lives.
In this episode of Built Different, Matt & Chris are joined by Gayatri Shahane, Data Scientist at StructionSite. They talk about how StructionSite is leveraging data analytics to measure the impact of the construction industry on the environment and propose solutions for reducing the sector's contribution to climate change and pollution.
They explore how data may be used to highlight how unsustainable present construction processes are, and show how to achieve sustainability across the whole construction life cycle, including the plan, build, and operate phases. Gayatri explains that, when properly applied, data can assist the built asset industries in moving toward long-term sustainable growth approaches.
Chris Jervey: Welcome to Built Different, a podcast by boots-on-the-ground workers who are built different and like to get site done.
Matt Daly: We’re here to listen, question the status quo, and continue to find better ways to build the world. All right, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Built Different podcast. I am joined today by two, not one, but two of my esteemed colleagues Mr. Chris Jervey. I'll let you jump in and say hello.
Chris: Hi everybody. It's Chris. I think you're starting to get to know us, right? I'm the guy that follows Matt.
Matt: Perfect, yes.
Chris: With the next question.
Matt: We've moved from esteemed colleague to a guy that follows Matt. Perfect. Thanks.
Chris: I'm just the next question guy.
Matt: I'll switch it up next time, and then also our data scientist, Gayatri Shahane. You want to say hello real fast?
Gayatri Shahane: Hi. Hi everybody. It's so great. I'm Gayatri.
Matt: Awesome. We're going to be talking about [unintelligible 00:00:59]. Chris, did we say something funny already?
Chris: Yes, I'm just already enjoying this. Yes, please, carry on.
Matt: All right, we're going to talk today about sustainability. Something that we as StructionSite have in a way, and I'm not sure if this will come up today, so maybe I won't get into it yet. Been talking about since around 2019 and only recently have started to explore this journey of what role do we play in creating a more sustainable construction industry as well as world, and what does our data scientist here have to say about what we-- how do we put some numbers to that? How do we start to quantify it? Let's dive in. Gayatri, usually where we love to start here is just hearing a little bit about you, where did you go to school, and how did your career begin? What did the beginning of your career look like?
Gayatri: I went to Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania for my master's degree in Energy Science, Technology, and Policy. I worked at the intersection of energy and data science. Before that, I was in India. I did my bachelor's there in mechanical engineering. Then I worked for a bit at our energy VC. I think around that time I met Matt and we talked a little bit about data at StructionSite. We did a pilot project and I was the first data hire here. It's been amazing two years. We spent two years in just diving deep into our data infrastructure, building our pipeline, and now we have an amazing team of data scientists and data analysts.
Matt: Got you. I'm really excited about this. A, because I don't think any business in any industry can ignore the need for sustainability in their practice, whatever it might be. It's all-pervasive. It's going to come up in every single industry. It's an obligation that we have to, the people that come after us to find ways to do a better job, managing our resources, not hogging up the whole dang thing for ourselves. The reason I moved to California when I was 25 or whatever was I was really into sustainable construction.
I got really interested in all sorts of different, not just like eco-friendly for lack of a better term materials, et cetera, but also really unique and different models of building. I was out building straw bale homes, and I built a straw bale church, a school, some really cool stuff way back in the day. This is something that I'm pretty passionate about. I would love to know a little bit more about what it was. Mechanical engineering to really getting into energy work is a bit of a jump.
I want to talk a little bit about where that jumped up in your heart. Where was there a place where you thought, "This is something that I'm really passionate about." Because usually there's something personal. There's a sense of responsibility or something like that. Can you dig into that a little bit more? I feel like there's probably something there for you.
Gayatri: Oh, yes, for sure. During my bachelor's in mechanical engineering, I started pivoting towards energy a lot. I did a couple of projects using just solar energy and converting sea water into desalinating it into drinkable water. That was one big project for me, and I just started getting into energy a lot, and that was a clear pathway from there. I couldn't work on anything else at that point, and that's why the jump to Carnegie Mellon. I think these days you can't really do anything without data science, and so that why energy mattered to data science, and here I am.
Matt: I think you were doing ESG before people were calling it ESG. What was the name of the program? It's like energy and policy. What was the name?
Gayatri: Yes, it was ESTP. It's energy, science, technology, and policy. It's a little bit of both. Science, because you can't really go ahead without solid research. Technology is again, data science, and other technical stuff and policy, because in this current scenario right now we need policy and we need that push from the government to really invest in energy initiatives. It's a combination of everything.
Chris: I have a question for both of you guys and also maybe anybody who happens to be listening. Is there anybody that went and studied mechanical engineering that is practicing mechanical engineering? We seem to have a lot of guests and folks who studied mechanical engineering, but nobody that I know so far is actually practicing mechanical engineering. Anybody out there listening, I want you to hit us up on LinkedIn or whatever and let us know if there are some mechanical engineers out there that studied in-- There must be. I just haven't met one yet.
Gayatri: Yes, I think a lot of my friends have moved away from it and went into data or computer science and the fancier stuff, but a lot of them have stayed there and they're working on battery technology and just the good stuff which powers things like Tesla. Without that, we can't [unintelligible 00:06:48]. Mechanical engineering is still alive. I don't want to say it's-- yes.
Matt: Yes, my journey was more about realizing as a person who had studied mechanical engineering, that I was never going to be the best engineer and just coming to grips with that and then shifting careers into sales in the early days.
Gayatri: Very natural.
Matt: I think the really smart, really talented engineers stayed in engineering, and those of us that recognized we were not that moved into something else.
Chris: That's the situation that we're in. Let's take a step back a little bit. I feel like we probably need to better define sustainability. What does that really mean?
Gayatri: To put it very simply, sustainability means meeting our own needs without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their needs. The main goal of environmental sustainability is to avoid depletion and to preserve our resources. This is becoming increasingly important as we are pushing our ecosystems and pursuing higher and higher goals. We are at the stepping point, which I can say can trigger catastrophic consequences, but we've already started to see that and not just in rising sea levels, but more frequent and intense drought, storms, heat waves, and we now have like a California fire season, and we have started to see impacts already. Sustainable initiatives in particular tend to evoke a short response because the pushback is primarily based on the argument that change will be more expensive and harmful to business, but this doesn't have to be true.
Matt: I want to go back to, I mentioned earlier, 2019 for us, and then talk about how you started on this path and the research you're doing in the data that you're looking at and analyzing here now. I guess to set the table, Chris, I think you were in the room for this. Sometime around 2019, we sat down to talk about what our purpose was as a business, and we were doing this massive brainstorming session with a consultant that was basically trying to guide us through this process of understanding more of what we were looking to do in the world, and what we cared about.
I remember at the time the word sustainability kept coming up, but it was very unclear to us what-- it didn't feel authentic for us to say that we're playing a role in that at that point. We'd be like, we as a company feel we want to have an impact here, and this is what gets us part of why we wake up every day excited to do what we do, but the connection between sustainability and StructionSite was really unclear. Now it looks like we've begun to peel back the layers of that onion and understand what our role is. Yes, Gayatri, I'd love to hear how this journey started and how you started doing this research? I'll let you take it away.
Gayatri: Sure. This was one of the first analyses I did for StructionSite in our pilot project. I was fresh in the energy industry, I wanted to apply my skills, I was like, "Okay, looking at the data, what can we do with it?" One of the analyses that I did was how much carbon emissions are offset by travel saved by us. Now, we've actually come full circle, we prepared a strong data infrastructure to support our claims in that regard.
Chris: That's cool. It's interesting to me how much-- To go back to this, it really has evolved for us, I think, very organically. I think we felt like early on, just to come back to what Matt was saying before, is like, I think we felt like, it's tangential, there's something there but we didn't really know how to put our fingers on it. There was something about commitment to the industry, about to doing what's right about getting people to work better, safer, I think we talked about pollutants, we talked about environmental quality, work workplace safety, and a better environment for the work to take place in.
I think we knew that maybe wanting that was something, I don't know that we knew exactly how we were going to play a role. I don't know, Matt, if it felt like this for you but I know that having spoken with a ton of our customers, especially over the last two or three years, when the pandemic hit and all of a sudden, people were really looking for virtual access to their job sites, I don't know that this was a target. It certainly wasn't something that, I felt like we were looking to do, although apparently this research was already in place but it was interesting how much just the circumstances of the pandemic got people thinking a little bit more about, how they maybe didn't have to go out to their job sites, how they could get more work done with less frequent trips back and forth from an office or a trailer to a job site or getting on a plane and flying somewhere that they didn't necessarily need to do because we were already documenting the current conditions of the job site for them, et cetera.
I feel like we walked right into this. It was almost the perfect storm, where all of a sudden, we had something that we could measure and it made sense for us. Was there something in there that was true for you? Was there something that started our ability to better track that for you during that, or was that just totally random? Does that make sense?
Gayatri: Can you elaborate on the question?
Chris: [laughs] I'm just wondering, all of a sudden, we had people that weren't going to the job site, and we were all of a sudden starting to put things like hours saved in travel, and it's like, that wasn't necessarily a sustainability initiative by StructionSite, it just happened to be something that we're measuring, but all of a sudden how do we measure sustainability?
Well, to some degree, it's in CO2 emissions saved, which, of course, is going to happen when you aren't getting in your car to travel somewhere. I'm wondering, was there actually a time where those two things actually started to come together, where I was like, actually, CO2 emissions is travel saved, and while our sustainability research was coming out from CO2 emissions saved, our customers were just using StructionSite more to minimize the travels that they were doing, and it just came together and all of a sudden, that helped to understand what our role could be there? Does that make sense?
I'm just trying to figure out, it just seemed like all of a sudden, everything came together for us in a more meaningful way than it did in 2019, where we didn't really know how we might play in that space or make an effect there.
Gayatri: Totally, I agree with you. We started StructionSite to solve a construction problem and to help the construction industry. Sustainability is a side effect and a side benefit that we discovered when we started looking at the data. When we also spoke with customers that actually this is real, they're actually saving time and they're not traveling to their job site. This was a huge deal. During COVID, we saw a lot of spikes in views and a lot of travel saved by customers. It was, I think, just timing and having that data ready to support our claims, but it didn't magically come together.
Chris: Maybe before we jump into any of the data and the findings, anything that you can help set the table with, with regards to any recent reports or things that help frame your thinking for, what sustainability should look like or is currently looking like in construction?
Gayatri: Yes. On a high level, in this April, the IPCC, which is the Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change, released its Sixth Assessment Report, the AR6, and it just paints a very dire picture of our world in the future. It's going to have enormous impacts on every nation and every industry. Even if it's not legislated, we need to start moving or we need to move heavily towards sustainability and those objectives.
Well, that being said, construction is one of the worst offenders when it comes to pollution, CO2 emissions, and energy use. I can dive into those exact numbers, but just holistically speaking, construction industry is a massive contributor to climate change and pollution.
Matt: Well, let's not wait, let's dive in. Lay it on us, what's the situation today?
Gayatri: Let's do this. Currently, we contribute about 36% of the final energy use globally and 39% of energy in process-related carbon dioxide emissions, and on top of these emissions, the industry contributes accounts for about 50% of the landfill use or landfill waste, and about 40% of polluted drinking water, and 23% of air pollution. These numbers are not even single digits, they're so high, that's 50% landfill use and 39% carbon dioxide emissions. Each phase of construction requires tremendous energy, and it emits greenhouse gases to the environment.
Let's see. Inside of those phases, transportation is also a big contributor in terms of energy impact, and carbon emissions, transportation, which support construction. We use heavy machinery, and we all love Ford F-150s, and [unintelligible 00:17:22], which they emit 40% more CO2 equivalent than our average car, let's say, Honda, we will never drive that but that's construction industry for you.
Matt: Those are massive numbers, by the way, first of all, just to restate them, 50% landfill waste, 40% polluted drinking water, 23% air pollution, that's a lot more than I would have expected. Those are some pretty massive numbers. Go ahead, Chris.
Chris: But again, if you think about it, we're tearing big things down and replacing them with other very big things, we have large trucks because we have lots of large equipment. We need these things and subpar. This isn't just a vanity project in our F-150s, it's that these are jobs that require big machines. I think the common response, and you touched on this a little earlier, Gayatri is, okay, but how are we going to do this stuff without those consequences happening as a result of needing those machines? hHw do we continue to do the great work that we do as an industry, the heavy resource consumption work that we do as an industry in a more sustainable way without hurting the business or the project?
Is there a way to do that? I think is probably the common question here.
Gayatri: Definitely. There's no silver bullet, but this question can be answered better when we break down into construction phases, which are the production phase, use phase, and finally the demolition phase. If we look at the production phase first, one area of impact is the materials that we use to actually build it. By opting for sustainable materials like HDPE, which is high-density polyethylene pipes, concrete made from granulated blast furnace slag, which is a waste product of the steel industry, and it can be upcycled, or bamboo floors, contractors not only reduce the lifetime cost of a building, but they can also make it more valuable by increasing the value of the property. Sorry, I'm going to say that again.
Contractors not only reduce the lifetime cost of the building, but also make it more valuable by substantially increasing the resale value of the property. I think the gist of that is up cycling materials, using better materials to decrease the lifetime cost of a building. It might be slightly expensive right now, but the lifetime cost decreases significantly. Next, when it comes to the use phase, more lead-certified buildings can reduce the stress on the environment. These structures are more energy and resource-efficient.
They generate less waste and lower the use of energy, water, and other resources. Lead certification is available for nearly all buildings and there are numerous sources of funding available on the national state as well as local levels. For example, there are Federal tax credits for energy efficiency. There's a database of state incentives for renewable energy. By using these, we can significantly reduce the impact on environment in the use phase.
Lastly comes a demolishing phase and demolitions are inevitable in construction and dust seems to come with the dietary but the targeted water-based dust suppression system is one possibility to reduce it. It's pretty simple when I explain it. The structure being torn down is kept wet before and during, and after the demolition process, and boom, no dust. Yes. Go ahead.
Matt: Is dust--? Can I ask you a question on that? I didn't realize this was an actual issue. What is the impact of dust from a demolition, from a sustainability perspective? Is the dust the issue? I would've figured the carbon from materials. The material, maybe you would call it waste if it's been used, maybe it's not completely waste, but what's the issue with the dust? I'm curious.
Gayatri: I can try to answer that. Like Chris said, there's a lot of crap and dust particulars. [unintelligible 00:22:30] just problems in the respiratory systems and affect us, but it's all animals and yes, air pollution.
Chris: Going to Keep that stuff down.
Matt: Exactly. Okay. We've got a production phase, use phase, and demolition phase. I'm thinking of a couple of things here that just remind me to tie this back to, "What role do we play here?" Chris, maybe you've heard this a few times, right? We hear a lot about rework and if there's a ton of material waste during this phase, the use or the production phase of construction, I think that tends to be where we play more. I don't know how we would ever quantify this.
Right. We hear a lot about it. Not chipping out concrete because you know, what's inside of it and not putting a bunch of holes and wasting a bunch of drywall in sheetrock because you know what's behind it. It's interesting to think about how much of the-- I do wonder what percent of the waste comes from. Is there a breakdown, a production phase, use phase, demolition phase, as far as how much they contribute each of them to the overall impact of construction?
Gayatri: Yes. When you do a life cycle analysis of a building you can understand how much each of those phases contributes to energy impact, water impact, or carbon dioxide emission equivalent. I don't have those numbers right now, but there's definitely, we can break that down.
Chris: Let's talk about technology. Because I want to talk-- obviously, there are a lot of people doing some great work. Green builders with lead certification, obviously isn't brand new. There's a lot of stuff to mitigate the impact that's been happening for a long time, but we are ultimately technology vendors and we are still looking for ways that we specifically can impact and measure against some of the impacts that we make. Tell us how technology actually-- Can, we actually make an impact? Is that real for us?
Gayatri: Absolutely. One of the keys to unlocking long-term sustainability will most likely come from this new way of construction tech companies. Just to break it down as well. We have project management and production tracking software help keep teams on task and they impact projects to run smoothly. Some side benefits have emerged with the significant sustainability implications. This has been the case with StructionSite.
StructionSite like we said before, was not designed to lower carbon dioxide emissions, but rather to solve day-to-day issues that teams are experiencing on the ground. We address business problems in a way that increases productivity, freeing up resources by automating manual processes while lowering overall costs. We started tracking multiple data points to understand how our products have impacted a job to prove our value and the results have surprised us.
Chris: Tell us more. [laughs] What were they?
Matt: Yes, exactly. What did you guys find?
Gayatri: The first one is reducing who visits to job site and that's a big one. One of StructionSite's capability is to allow users to create a 3D view of their job sites as they capture photos. Viewing or accessing the 3D model on the laptop or phone saves product managers and team leaders multiple trips to their job sites. At times these job sites are 50 miles, 200 miles away from where their officers are, and those are the trips that we save.
Over the last year, StructionSite has saved organization and workers almost 16 million driving miles by reducing the need to go back and forth to different sites. By lowering the number of visits on site, StructionSite has offset 59,000 tons of carbon dioxide tailpipe emissions, which is equivalent to taking 12,000 cars off the road for a year. We are just one company, so imagine this wave of new construction tech just going out there and reducing carbon emissions and having sustainability impacts. I know that-- Yes, go ahead.
Chris: No, just to sidetrack you for a second, so how are we measuring that? I don't know necessarily if we're going to get into methodology a little bit later, but those are big numbers, probably surprisingly big numbers. I think sometimes our customers when they see that in their analytics dashboard are shocked and maybe unbelievable. Maybe they're incredulous. I'd love to know a little bit more about, how we're actually doing that. How do we get those numbers? They're pretty powerful.
Gayatri: Yes. They are powerful and they seem pretty big but we are actually taking a very conservative approach of measuring them. The value prop is, when a customer or project leader views the site from somewhere else, which is not his project, that's the third trip that they save. Those are the miles that we calculate. The conservative portion of it is that, if they're viewing from the same city and that project is in the same city, we don't even calculate that, because we consider travel is not needed.
If the distance between the viewing and the project is more than 150 miles, then it's considered that they need a flight because they won't drive that much. If they check every day from that far, it's not that we'll calculate that 150 miles for every day, it's each month. That's very conservative. Again, then, if it's more than 150 miles, we only consider that they will travel once a month. If it's less than 150 miles away, we use Google maps and distance calculators to calculate that distance and calculate those maps, basically.
Chris: What about anybody that walks to work?
Gayatri: They'll be in the same city, right? If they're in the same city, then yes, we're not calculating that.
Chris: We've obviously made some assumptions that we have to, right? We're not going to check, track every single thing. One of the things as the customer success guy in this call, I'd love to validate some of that. I assume maybe we've had conversations with customers to help validate some of this stuff, but I'm going to just invite publicly anybody that's listening to this broadcast that would love to join this.
I think it'd be really cool to keep validating some of those assumptions. This is, again, really powerful. These numbers are striking, right? I think it'd be cool to-- I really want our customers to feel like there's buy-in. I want them to buy into what those numbers actually are. I don't think we're afraid to Wizard of Oz this thing, pull the curtain back and show some folks what the assumptions are, et cetera.
The methodology is there, but obviously, it's probably always got to get tweaked a little bit. Anyway, I don't want to derail this, but I just feel like it's really cool and I don't want people to be called BS on it. There's real science behind this, people. [laughs] We have a real data scientist on the call right now. [laughter]
Matt: Yes, please.
Chris: I know there are other things.
Matt: Please come and challenge our data team to a carbon emissions evaluation. I think you bring up an interesting point, we have a lot of customers who also care deeply about sustainability as builders. This isn't any one part of the ecosystem that has this initiative. I think the point is to get everybody to have this as an initiative and try to understand what role you play in it, as well, as then once you understand that role, really, how do you max it out?
Actually, I agree with you, Chris. I think it would be great to hear from customers who have their own initiatives on what they're trying to do. We know, you and I both know, based on some of our conversations we had last fall, that a lot of the executives at these large contractors are looking for new, different, better, more efficient ways of doing business that are both more attractive for the employees that come work there, and more sustainable as well. It's got to be both.
Chris: I mean, there's a real petrol savings cost here for people that are interested in trying to figure out how to-- I'm using the cool way to say that. You can save gas by not traveling so much. [laughs] There's some real ways that we can win here just by thinking through the process. Okay, we could go off on this tangent forever and I think we are. This may end up being a four-hour-long podcast, because I'm extremely interested in this stuff but there are actually a couple of other ways that StructionSite, I think, is actually making a difference. I don't want to lose that thread. I want to finish that off so can you keep going there, Gayatri?
Gayatri: Yes, to add to our previous point, we can update our models to ensure natural gas savings, looking at the gas prices here in California. I think looking at what's happening outside with COVID, with gas prices, having the ability to just view your job site from home or from your home office is so valuable, I feel.
Matt: One of the things I brought up earlier, which maybe you can touch on here is rework. We know that a big part of waste is rework and which it's also related to inappropriate allocation of resources. We have people in the wrong area, we have materials in the wrong area, we installed the wrong thing. I'd love to hear anything that you could share with us on that.
Gayatri: Absolutely. Coming back to my previous point of where the impact is, another area of impact we've seen is with production tracking. There's a lot of inaccuracies when it comes to production rate tracking and around 30% of the money in the industry is lost from material waste associated with waiting time, materials rework, opening up walls, and just other inefficiencies.
What StructionSite also provides is proximity tracking data. We take accurate at all time, as well as historical production data which helps us to predict what is the future production rate going to be worth and are they going to be on a certain task, and that helps costly schedule delays.
Matt: It's related to what I was saying. There's a production tracking piece, there's the rework, there's the waste, and then there's this other aspect of sustainability is also, we're trying to build this better future together. There's this quality of life piece where yes, we are trying to reduce wastes in the form of rework and travel that does not need to happen but have you guys given any thought on your guys' team? The data team given any thought to the quality of life impact and how we might measure that in the future as well?
Gayatri: We have actually and we have the numbers to support that from all the driving miles they have, people are saving about 3 million travel hours and that's just from 2021 up till now. That not only frees up time for people to focus on what they love but also removes the toil and manual tasks and that can be done through StructionSite. This gives them the opportunity to leverage their unique human problem-solving skills and focus on what they love instead of being stuck in traffic, paying heavily for gas, and wasting that time.
Matt: People don't want to pay $7 a gallon for gas?
Chris: Or keep coming home at midnight. Yes, this is where I feel like technology, for me, at least in my 12 years in contact has always been about how do we best serve the customer? Okay, let's get people to work smarter, not harder. Let's cut those hours down and see if we can get some efficiency gain in this stuff and it is very clear to me that we've got an impact there. Okay, we're running a little long here and Matt, this is actually kind of your gig. Let's wrap this baby up. Ask your question, dude. Ask your final question. Come on. I know love this one.
Matt: Yes, look, this is unique because we're interviewing somebody on our own team here and I'm even more curious than I probably shouldn't be to understand the answer to this question. I always to ask, what is it that you and or maybe your team are doing different? We're always talking about this is the Built Different podcasts, we always give folks an opportunity to talk about how they or their teams are different or are doing something different. Yes, we'd love to wrap up with that.
Gayatri: Oh, wow. That's a good question.
Chris: It's the key question of this entire podcast.
Gayatri: I think with our team, it rests on two things. We are a data team in the construction industry. I think we at StructionSite would always like to say industry for us. We come from the industry and that populates in our team as well. Our CDO, our chief data officer, Phillip, he comes from the industry and gets that customer for us, the construction industry understanding. That percolates to our team and when that marries to amazing intelligent data people, we provide great results. I think that's our secret sauce there.
Chris: I will just love that we have a secret sauce.
Matt: I love it.
Chris: That's exciting.
Matt: A shout out to Philip. That's awesome. I love that and yes, we'll wrap up by saying, Gayatri, thank you very much for spending a little bit of time with us and bringing us into your world and in data a little bit here and just letting us know how you guys are quantifying the impact that we're having here as well as just helping us be more thoughtful about how we might be better in the future.
I just want to say thanks for the work you guys are doing, you're doing great stuff. Appreciate all of it and I look forward to seeing you guys at the office, the virtual one.
Gayatri: [Laughs] Yes, it was great to be here. Thank you. Thank you for having me and I want to say I'm really excited about the future and how the advent of construction tech is honestly improving the narrative that it's the most polluting industry sorry, not populating, polluting industry.
Chris: Hey, we're not just a school shiny product. We got some smart people here. Boom.
Matt: [laughs] All right, guys, we will see you all next week for the next episode of the Built Different podcast. Take care.
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